Public opinion on India-US relations is largely critical, with widespread dissatisfaction towards U.S. trade policies and demands that are perceived as infringing on India's sovereignty, particularly in relation to Russia and regional affairs. Commenters express a strong desire for India to assert its independence and resist U.S. influence, revealing a deep-seated skepticism about U.S. reliability as an ally.

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It is not finished, but will be more like a pure trade based relationship at least from Indian side. From here on any strategic deals for India would be with Russia, Israel, France and Japan.

You only have to see the map of Asia to realize why US cannot have a Russia-India-China axis. Even an India neutral on East Asia would be horrible for US in the East Asia, so the courting of India originally despite its many shortcomings. A neutral India would free up China from worries about Southern flank and fully move against Taiwan. The day Taiwan falls is the day that the countdown starts for US in Japan and S Korea as it would be the marker of loss of US primacy in East Asia. Expect Japan and S Korea to fold and fall in China orbit in less than a decade after that. This neutrality is what China wants from India in return for no pressure on border and releasing of critical materials. Also notice how Taiwan and Japan is still courting India. And no Pakistan is not a substitute. The geography does not permit a land ingress through Shaksham valley and if they are foolish enough to allow their airbases to be used during US-China war then expect a 10X Sindoor from China. They can let their airspace to be used and China can still create mayhem.

However, from Indian side getting pulled in America's war is a fools errand as there is no upside and anyway none came to its help during Sindoor. And getting involved in a land war with China is very very stupid, irrespective of the carrot dangled by US.

So in a lot of way, I think the current path for India is optimum. Trump has done us a huge favor in removing our blinkers. Mend fences with China with strict red-lines i.e. tranquil border and limited arming of Pakistan plus of course lots of trade. Also, when the Americans and Japanese come calling, humor them for industry, capital and tech and of course to keep China in check. US and Japan are gonna come as they have little alternative, other than to cede primacy in East Asia to China and having close relation with India will always keep China off-balance as ultimately their open societies and economies are naturally compatible with India. One day India and China may (not necessarily) fight for primacy in Asia, but that day is after China-Taiwan denouement so at least 10 years off.

Meanwhile, keep head down and steady and keep developing.

kishaloy

Its not finished

There are no permanent friend or enemy. 

Long term our interests aligns with US. But Trump is not your conventional leader so mostly our relationship will be anyone’s guess till 2028.

I expect the relationship to be normalised post 2028

We need conflict free 1.5 decades

pratyush_1991

A big setback to the relationship, yes. But nothing is over. The moment Trumps leaves, efforts to normalise will begin no matter who wins the next election. Will it take time to build trust? No doubt about it.

Relationship that was slowly being built after George Bush's olive branch lifting nuclear sanctions and offering us the nuclear deal around 25 years back has been broken. Not by tarrifs as much, but by the unhinged rants by Trump and others in his admin.

India was anyways never going to be an US ally. Indias foreign policy has been very much clear on it. We are in favor of a multipolar world with ourselves as one of the poles rather than aligning with anyone. Be it US, Russia or China.

Brainfuck

chill. its just trump. once his term finishes, the world will be back to normal.

ChunnuBhai

IMO, the only thing India has achieved is normalisation of the relationship with China, which is HUGE!

Without having to worry about Chinese aggression, a border solution might be on the way. India will have to worry less about spending on defence, which is also in China's interest as they won't have to continue seeing India as a security threat.

I believe this is in line with US strategy as well. There is no way US and China would go to a war. So, why would India?

India should also focus on mending trade relationship with US now that Chinese ties are back to normal. India will HAVE to give concessions to US. They are not stupid to have everything thought through.

With a spree of FTAs, and a better relationship with both US and China would be goal for leadership.

imaginemecrazy

OP clearly has no clue the reason behind TTT( TRUMPS TARRIF TANTRUMS):

1)Obama from democratic party got a Nobel peace prize and hence Trump craves one to counterbalance Obama's popularity. US called Modi when he went to Canada for the summit hoping that Trump might get a photo shoot of Modi and Azim munnir in the whole house next to Dolund Zrump the same way he did with Armenia and Azerbaijan inorder to claim he ended decades long hostility and hence a viable candidate for Nobel peace prize. And we all know how Modi shrugged off 4 calls from US and asked MEA to inform US that he got plans to visit Croatia after Canada and hence cannot come to US anytime soon. Unlike Pakistan which was quick enough to get on its knees to gawk gawk Trump and US for validation and promote Trump for Nobel peace prize, India stood it's ground and said Trump had no part in the ceasefire between India and Pakistan during Op sindoor. This discredited Trump which infuriated him . 

2) After messing with china, they stopped buying American farm products especially corn, soya and other diary stuff and meat stuff which were sourced from Brazil and other countries now which leaves a huge surplus of American farm products that they're trying to find a buyer for. They can sell it to Europe but they can't since Europe requires carbon certificate for imports, so naturally the best option is India which is why US is trying to push agriculture and diary import duty reducts to dump their surplus shit that China refused to buy. 

3) Crude prices. We all know US despite having huge reserves have been hoarding their crude for decades hoping that once other countries run dry, they can sell their crude at whatever price they fix. But the rapid development of EVs and fuel cells and countries pledges towards carbon neutral goals has given US very little time to pump enough crude to make money and ofc why pump how and sell them for low prices when they can arm twist the world to stop buying from Russia, create a huge demand , pump as much crude as possible and sell them in the short amount. They tried this, but sadly India and China buying Russian crude is keeping global demand and Supply stable, if it wasn't for us, the crude prices might've touched all time high. This also triggered the oil mafia in US who are crying to Trump. 

Not everything is as simple as it seems when it comes to foreign policies and geo Politics. There might be more factor at play too, but these are some of the ones that I'm certain of .

Substantial-Pause959

The relationship is far deeper than Trump's three more years. The relationship is strained, but not in the separation or divorce stage.

Top_Put_9253

At present India has become a global Ping Pong; we are not playing any cards rather we are getting played;

US has changed under Trump; USA is still USAing just that what used to happen behind closed curtains is now being broadcasted on Social Media; 

China still maintains a clear claim on Arunachal Pradesh; No signs of changing that - what China wants from this " sudden friendship " is better access to Indian markets further damaging local manufactures ( especially SMEs ); for China in real world India is not even real threat anymore;

Russia is about to hit the lowest point as a super power - what was supposed to be a easy victory now needs a meditator to end things respectfully ( like US in Vietnam ); Technologically we are still dependent on Russia in defence space but I seriously hope we start getting rid of older Russian equiment.

Lastly, Time and again BJP has been using Geopolitical stand of India for their own PR; the hysteria created by BJP is hitting them back - Indians do get emotional on topics like China and Pakistan since the hate that is being filled in them by IT cell and now justifying handshake with China is simply " Thuk ke chatna "; Since Day-1 it was said that mixing foreign policy with local politics is disaster but BJP has been falling for it time again n again; Boycott Maldives to hug them hard; Boycott china to miss you old friend; Boycott Turkey to okay lets meet on hinge etc etc etc.

Sorry to burst your bubble OP;

wrongturn6969

Cheap_trick1412

Bhais, India's strength has always been to act a pivot. we should not have gone into US camp after 2014. Even now we should not completely align to China/ BRICS against US. We are a middle power, we should act like one and tgry to gain economically from both the side. 

Modi is there today, maybe not there tomorrow. What will remain is India's world standing and it should be consistent with our core strengths.

Overall-Resolve-3807

See bro there are no friends and enemies in diplomacy both countries are being hit by US tarrifs so now they try to increase their own ties kinda like the enemy of my enemy is my friend. One just looks out for whatever is best for them .
They are seeing benefit in overlooking their disputes. Situation could shift drastically in the next 5 to 6 years.

[deleted]

No it is stronger and ever and will grow over time, these issues are minor geopolitical narratives that is all.

Ok-Seaweed-5611

There was never India US ties.
It was just friends with benefits.


You neither understand India or US .

There was a reason why US chose pakistan over India.

It was just in US interest to use India to keep china in line..

India sees china as the biggest threat.
US sees china as the biggest threat.

Modi meeting xi is just for optics.

coolsid_5

Its international relation... wait for china to take few more meters land in laddakh pawpaw will again sit in trumps lap😂.

The problem is yahn thook ke bohot jaldi chaat lete hai 😂

Why after covid when the big companies were trying to move away from China ,we didn’t grab the opportunity then ?? Why we didn’t divert our supply chain which we are trying to do aggressively after tarrif ?we are always 5-10 years behind in every policy which we should have taken on time .whatever the reason bureaucracy ,red tapes reforms delay  ..We are always missed opportunity.The moment US put tarrif on us we have to go to China which just helped Pak for Pahalgam attack ,just 2020 dokhlm attack killing our jawans ..I m worried that China will take advantage of this opportunity current India-US relations into its trade trap .

tatmona

Really? You think so?  Effie are they gonna turn to? China, with whom they’ve fought 1.5 wars? And who’s building bases in Sri Lanka and islands in the Indian Ocean to encircle India?

Russia, which is a fourth world country?

US knows that India has no choice.  It’s the largest economy by far, close to the largest trade, English speaking democracy, US/japan/Australia anti-China alliances etc. 

It’s called realpolitik.  

Get real.  It’s all a game.  It’ll be over soon enough.  

Violin-dude

Love for china is unreal.

Are we just going to ignore China supply of weapons to pakistan? 


Are we going to blame USa for russia ukraine war?

sumit24021990

U r thinking more about it than it should.

Its a huge set back. But it cant be termed qs finished 

There have been set backs but both countries started talking again.

After JFk "outbursts" against Goa liberwtion, both countries atarted talks in months.  Both counrries were on good terms when JFK was assassinated.

Even after 1971, both countries started talks in 2 years. In 1979, Jimmy carter visited India. There is a village called carterpuri.
 

Indira gandhi admn was perhaps the most Anti US govt of india. 

Apart from that, there has never been long term hostility
Educated people in both govts know that diplomatic relations cant end like this. 

Trump is a moron to not know how to talk. He is hampering busines deals that would help US businesses. India was negotiating defence deals

2 big ego's are causing this deterioration.The export hit is much worse than the oil savings which anyway are benefiting refiners mostly and not the common man. Simple logic but blinded by ego or national pride

India's eyes are opened, we were getting too prideful of our economy and status in the world. Nobody outside of India thinks of us as remotely close as China and we are a minor player on the world stage. But the US is wrong on imposing the same moral standards like Ukraine on developing countries like us, just like the western economies polluted the world in the name of their development and now on becoming rich and developed want to impose carbon limits on developing nati
ons, a complete double standard.

Anyway time for the nation to work on itself and develop its human capital foremost  which doesn't seem to be improving due to under investment in primary education and public health. Tough times ahead

Also our nation needs to stop thinking of it like personal. The real estate developer is engaged in fighting with his own governors like the Maryland one and mocking its crime rates and economy ( aka dead economy) and giving threats to deploy the National guard in his own cities.

clarissa8387

It's not totally finished but it's almost done with the current government. Once the new govt come in US I am sure india and us both try to normalise the realation.

Best-Yak2590

Not irreparable, but Trump is an idiot. No leader with a modicum of self-respect can do business with him.

daftmonkey

good done with those jokers from 71 7th fleet nonsense  to hiding mumbai bomb blast masterminds for nearly 2 decades . they have caused dea... of 10s of thousands of indians have than have the gall to say we have been unfair to them

Fun-Sir5158

Me here thinking if we can mend ties with China, we can mend ties with anyone including US.

oh-fabi

Nah these things change on a dime. Remember when Zelensky was literally humiliated in the white house by Trump and vance. Now, the tables turned and trump is funding Ukraine just like Biden.

VisitInteresting171

The US is by far our biggest export partner. Also by far the largest foreign direct investor in India. I don't know if you understand what you ask for, when you ask for relations to be finished.

Its naive to say the best. Its also naive to believe this moment of good relations between Modi and Xi means anything long term with China.

The US is not going to be our geopolitical or geographic or economic rival this century - China is.

MmmIceCreamSoBAD

Unless those 4 imp agreements which we have signed with US are called off, till then nothing is finished. 
Agreements like lemoa, comcasa etc

Rare-Intern6171

This is how PR gets to us. The SCO was a meetup of many countries, not a meetup of IRC to sign some pact. We got to see photos of Modi with Xi and Putin. Pakistan got to see similar photos of their PM with them. But our media as usual portrayed it in a way that only Modi was the one who received any attention there. Indians are gullible, naive and easily fooled by propaganda. Stop it please.

This was neither representation of India's ties with other parts of the world nor the other way round. The timeline made it seem so, and elections are also near.

kingslayer990

India's reaction to U.S. tariffs is a demonstration of its resolve for sovereignty from Washington's attempts to enforce a unipolar global order.

VJObserver

LoL China did far worse things and now we are friends. They will drop Tariffs after Trump's term and things will be back to normal.

nandhugp214

It’s a trade based relationship with strong geopolitical reasons behind it, yesterday’s friends can be tomorrow’s enemies, you sell more newspaper by stoking personal and popular perceptions into it. I doubt anything emotional was involved, India has never been a strong player, decades of freedom and opening up trade hasn’t changed their leverage in global terms by a lot, the difference is so stark compared to China. Essentially being punished for being a small time speculator for buying cheap oil and reselling. With Left leaning politics and lack of strategic vision has essentially drove the final nail into country’s future, where individual persons quality of life and happiness index is prioritized to lowest degree, it will continue to be a country the brightest and the best want to run away from and never towards. It’s sad, so much wasted potential. Unfortunately it’s also the global sentiment moving towards undoing globalization.

Conscious_Cod6018

If india made up with China even after Galwan ..will surely make up with USA all things change with time

Sanjay2105

When trump leaves , the trade policies would be set in stone for 3+ years and I guarantee every alternate terms there will be a trumpian type anti global USA president. If not every term.

mynameisnb101

what does it mean for the Indian diaspora in the US/ West?

aditya1878

Go read 1984 by George Orwell. The world is ruled by a small group of elites who all know each other and are buddies. All this is just theatrics to get the peasants to stay worried. Ask yourself: how can China be the enemy of US if all the US companies have literally setup their production plants there.

numbaunstunna

Not surprised since Trump managed to even piss off best buds - Canadians. The odd part is so many American past presidents kept quiet

StartX007

India was never "close" to anyone. We have been non-aligned since independence.

The US is not "dumba*s" and India is not "stubborn". Everyone does what they "perceive" would be better for them. Perceptions can turn out to be devastating or favouring, that's for the future. Nobody "sees" the future. Everyone speculates.

If down the line the US observes the decision is losing for them, they would have to enter a deal that's tilted towards India (Russia oil deal is exactly India exploiting Russia's plight). On the contrary, if down the line, India observes they are losing, they would sign a deal that's tilted towards the US. It's just business 101. The US is speculating they would get a better deal down the line or maybe they are already getting something else, that's better, by losing on "India deal".

We just need to observe.

rakshify

Not finished, but definitely gone to the levels of 1998. 25 years of hard work is now in the toilet, thanks to this administration. It will take a long time before the confidence is restored at that level.

Tshering22

You are living in delulu land. India is not that important in world stage. Everyone knows that. Forget 50% if trump dumps 1000% tariff tomorrow we will do zilch apart from photo ops and big speeches. Beggers have no choice!!!! We don't have any cards against US, China or Russia. We are extremely dependant on all of them.

Accomplished_Fix_131

Trumps tariffs on India were based on personal vendetta.

There is no foreign policy failure.. Can't have foreign policy centered around one person's ego.

unc_with_rizz

Indian bhakts are now threatening US and Pak with terrorist attacks via BLA

izigo

He is an unstable fellow I doubt any of the polices he has been making will last after his term.

Consistent_Load_4014

Wishful thinking. All American megs corps are heavily invested in India and show no signs of slowing down. Pakistan doesn't even show up in their drop-down list. Be real. Trump isn't going to change Pakistan or India.

Gohab2001

Khuda ke waste bases na deden, ya doosre musalmanon ke khilaaf jung man shamil na hojaen

salambhatti

India: standing with its small farmers, refusing to sign a trade deal which threatens its food security.
Pakistan: gives its sovereignty, its critical resources and its dignity to Trump on a platter, just to keep Imran Khan in jail.

It’s a day of shame, not celebration.

Different_Bed8183

IkramAli007

ashooooo7282

I'm Indian (and you can downvote, if you don't agree) but believe me this only affects them (American Consumer pays more &amp; not Indian). especially don't believe in a creature like this clown. India is among the fastest going major economies and believe me or not these (whites) can't see any other race prosper so they play such tactics. Will screenshot this comment and post on reddit 5 years from now. You'll see what I said is not bs.

sloppy-acid

Bold of you to think diplomacy matters to trump

Unsyr

Yayy opportunity for sab ki maa to buy more luxury cars

mhssmhdev

Trump is a grifter and everything that comes out of his mouth is lolipop for the public. Bet asim munir made a deal with him to make bs tweets and speeches to improve his image. US is not going to prioritize its ties with pakistan over india because theres they are worried about China and we are an ally of China. Every time republicans get in power they work with the faujis and weaken our civilian govt.

https://preview.redd.it/wkpuhuu8gfgf1.jpeg?width=1080&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=7579893397ccb7d25f0d1dd1b1f84a43ada4a3f7

Trump grifting during his first term

Medium_Storage3437

The deals Trump wants to make are predatory in nature. See the mineral deal with Ukraine, tariffs in EU Japan. It's too much for america and nothing for the another partner. DEALS do not work that way

Alarming-Piece-5836

Electronics,IT, and pharma are out of this tariff as know till know. With time, we will come to know what more sectors have been exempted. And in the end, it will come out to be just a tariff for anti orange tan creams😂😂. The man is a joker, just speaks shit but does nothing bold.

We have to play politics and do business.  


Trump is showman.  Businesses in the US is doing the same thing.  


When US cut ties with Nazi Germany.  US company owned german subsidieries simply remodelled themselves as independent/reich controlled business and continued till end of war. They they were returned to parent company after the war.  

Profits come first.

telaughingbuddha

Irony is he says this while he guts the American economy.

IronLyx

Why is orange baffoon so salty all the time

If indian economy is dead, and he does very little business with india, why does he wants to put tariffs? and why is he crying so much? modi is my friend, he's a great negotiator,india is a tough negotiator, we'll do a lot of business with them, i get along with all of them.. blah blah blah. ROFL.

Bendacar_Benatar

How do India respond?
Avoid the next quad
Get closer to China, I.e.trade off..Will support you in Taiwan, in return you'll support us with P@rk!s 
More trade and more investment...

Even if India takes these two steps, Asia is virtually shut off for US

AlecRay01

Basically, USA has spent billions for Israel and this number will increase. Someone has to foot the bill

DocAbbz

So he is letting us buy Russian oil without sanctions but has to act like he is strong.  Good enough.

arkantosphan

So when you make deals with our enemy, it’s a strategy. But when we talk to yours, it’s betrayal? Classic Amrika.

Special_Gold5224

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Says the clown who has this as a statue in NYC.

Prestigious-Evening6

Can’t expect much who hung out with Epstein and who’s literally covering up for him today

Sean16178

I love how much modi fans were getting wet for Trump but now the leopards ate your face?

reptheanon

He will go back on his words just wait few days. 

He talk about our shit economy while an average American lives pay check to pay check and eats poison on daily basis while drinking tap water that turns frog gay in a country that runs by PDFs 😂 

We will be fine

Gla55_cannon

I just want to say, I’m American, and I do not have this outlook for India. I have no idea what Trump wants with this provocation.

armoman92

Ambanis Adanis Tatas and the billionaire classes of India are the East India Company 2.0

Specialist-Love1504

But saar modixi super doper foreign policy laser eyes supar master saar.

East India company has been formed by Ambani, Adani etc. 

Open markets will break the new India company. Tarrifs are good for India. We will be forced to become an open economy.

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ye iske tactics hai blackmail karne ki aur india par pressure bnane ki india divest to kar sakta hai lekin usko vo desh dondhne padhenge jinki purchasing power acchi ho taki vo US co compensate kar sake like south east asia japan newzeland europe south america

Congress won't, Rahul Gandhi is. Big difference. 

US-India relations won't be affected by Trump tweets irl. But we should stop relying on them for anything vital

Moist-Guest-7765

I guess most of our people would like to leave a comment on his post saying
 "abey bhakk na madrchod" .. because that is exactly how irritating his tantrums are, just like my ex's mood swings.

Typical_Mountain_752

The mother of all bubbles is about to pop and they will blame everything on this guy…
He has been brought in as a scapegoat!
Keep calm and enjoy the show.
India not bending for anyone is the right path

ViniMav

The strategy is from Doland’s playbook - Fart of the Deal

Disastrous-Star-9588

I am not brilliant, but to support our country what we can really do??

AnxiousLadka

In a year us sanctions will be a joke. Elect a joker, expect world class jokes.

la_rattouille

The economy of the rest of the world is three times the economy of the US. Make trading agreements with the rest of the world.

stewartm0205

Can we have a mega-thread on this topic, Please mods ?

Rather than just criticizing Trump, can we discuss our leverages and future-roadmap ?

1. We should lobby for electronics to be exempt from this (as this directly competes with China) and give relief to big-suppliers like Apple (Make in india image is important). And i have heard that its already exempt.
2. Why don't we import US Soya and add it to PDS ? Its cheap and Indians have the lowest protein consumption. Soya (Tofu) is a vegetarian alternative to Meat.
3. Our farmers are becoming a burden day-by-day. Are we supercharging the ITI program. The last policy was to train 2 million people over 5 years ? That's a drop in the bucket for a population of size 1500 million: [https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2127415](https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2127415)
4. Lets not resort to mass-defamation campaign against Trump or Modi. Only we are to lose. China did not trash US presidents, it took their manufacturing business and let US proper in tech too.

coder_realtor

Trump is ensuring Republicans won’t win for next 20 years and no country will trust USA in future

nvgroups

All that Cocaine, Drugs are Finally showing their Effects.

DelBabe

Well India needs to take the right decisions at the right time or it will garner a lot of hate globally.

mindfreak2020

Trump is basically playing the market.  He announces tariffs and then the market drops because of that. He and his friends will buy up at low and then he will announce a “pause” in tariffs. And then they sell for profit. He has been doing it since January. Market is still falling for it.

Popular-Beach-4843

Kya farq padhta hai 
Vote for Trump 
Abki baar Trump sarkaar
Bhai pooja kab karni hai Trump ki ?
Hawan for Trump 
Marching for Trump 
.......



Just an Indian andhbhakt 😎

Bubbly-Cucumber1794

SnooCompliments8409

To be honest, we should distance ourselves from Russia for moral reasons, not because orange man asks us to. Putin is a blood thirsty murderer.

arjun_prs

Dont make it political in politics ? I am pretty sure countries like Pakistan are boot licking their way in Trump’s plans. But casting India aside like its nothing is a failure of diplomacy &amp; foreign policies. Get the highest civilian awards in 25 countries but can’t retaliate against bigger nations.

Background-Yam634

trump will be the reason for downfall of usa

Different_Cod_1066

I think, it’s other way around. China, India , Russia, Brazil, SA are strong economies and why would they listen to anyone.

josh4578

BlueLabel19

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After_Lengthiness_80

India, unlike Japan and EU, is not a colony. India's security is not dependent on the US. So Trump has not much leverage. Stay firm and he'll come back begging like he crawled back begging Chinese to have a meeting in Europe.

You bet against the United States on your peril.  It's putting itself and it's people before everyone else and is the only super power left on the planet with the biggest military and trillion dollar economy. It was always isolationist in nature before it rescued the world twice from wars Europeans thrust upon it.

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